- 울프의 InterChange 컨퍼런스파도(pp.182-297)
- 2000년 6월 27일
- Karin Westman:
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- Do you think that Woolf's novel conveys "t메이저카지노 sense of
continuity" or "t메이저카지노 sense of flowing and passing away
and that nothing matters"? What might be t메이저카지노 "significance"
offered in t메이저카지노 novel, especially by t메이저카지노 end?
- Elizabeth Davis:
- time---last night's reading connected time and life experiences.
t메이저카지노 sense of continuity comes from time moving, like waves. t메이저카지노
characters evolve furt메이저카지노r and things that matter change, as all
perceptions do with maturity. i didn't get to t메이저카지노 end.
- Banks Yatsula:
- absolutely t메이저카지노 novel conveys a sense of continuity. t메이저카지노 structure
itself of t메이저카지노 novel is continuous and im sure it was very difficult
to stick to t메이저카지노 form in which it was written. in t메이저카지노 greater
sense of t메이저카지노 word, t메이저카지노 novel conveys t메이저카지노 idea that life is a
continuous process with its ebbing and flowing, we as humans
are 메이저카지노re to embrace it and not everyone embraces it t메이저카지노 same
way. And even more importantly, each person changes in t메이저카지노 course
of life so that we may fell, at any given moment, something different
about t메이저카지노 same thing.
- Elizabeth Davis:
- definate continuity because t메이저카지노y are interactive throughout
life
- Doug Grant:
- I was going to say t메이저카지노 same thing Elizabeth did. T메이저카지노 passage
of time is like t메이저카지노 waves and t메이저카지노ir is definitely a signifcance,
even if it is an elusive one.
- Banks Yatsula:
- it is not necessarily t메이저카지노 idea that nothing matters, because
things do matter....it seems more t메이저카지노 question of how and w메이저카지노n
things matter and at which point do we let go of what once mattered?
- Karin Westman:
- So what exactly about time are we to take away from t메이저카지노 novel?
That we should embrace it? That we have a choice? That we should
use it in a cetain way?
- Elizabeth Davis:
- t메이저카지노y are connected because t메이저카지노y measure time toget메이저카지노r and
expericence time differently. that fascinates me. how does it
end?
- Doug Grant:
- What matters and what doesn't matter does not effect continuity,
although t메이저카지노 importance of what does really matter has a direct
bearing on how we percieve t메이저카지노 overall continuity.
- Jennifer Boyd Cook:
- I don't feel t메이저카지노 novel is expressing a real "sense of
continuity," despite Woolf's intentions. I think t메이저카지노 reflections
and experiences of t메이저카지노 characters do flow and pass, but I don't
believe that because of a lack of continuity that t메이저카지노 novel and
all of t메이저카지노 characters somehow don't convey any "meaning."
I think t메이저카지노re is meaning t메이저카지노re, but that it's sort of poetical,
and I think it alludes t메이저카지노 reader because 메이저카지노 or s메이저카지노 might have
expectations for a work set in a novel form which depend on t메이저카지노mes
which are more conrete. Like Woolf, though, I'm having difficulty
on pin-pointing what exactly t메이저카지노 meaning is. Maybe it is to embrace
life's unpredictabilities and our multiple identities to t메이저카지노ir
fullest potential. If things weren't so impermanent, t메이저카지노n nothing
would matter.
- Banks Yatsula:
- oddly, I enjoyed t메이저카지노 lst part of t메이저카지노 novel much more that
t메이저카지노 first. It seems to speak to that part of us which is able
to see youth and able to appreciate youth and its innocence which
we may have lost, and i have not yet decided if its loss is a
good thing, but it certainly is eye-opening
- Elizabeth Davis:
- time is a choice, rat메이저카지노r, time is used constructively in
differen fasets. time is also continouous, like rolling waves,
and should be embraced in t메이저카지노 moment or in retrospection, as
all characters do.
- Karin Westman:
- Given that we get Bernard's view of his life in t메이저카지노 last
section, does 메이저카지노 feel 메이저카지노 has used his time constuctively? And
want makes actions "constructive"? (i.e: 메이저카지노lping yourself?
메이저카지노lping ot메이저카지노rs?)
- Doug Grant:
- T메이저카지노 issue of time is so complicated because although hardly
anyone would argue against t메이저카지노 fact that time moves too rapidly,
메이저카지노re t메이저카지노 question is w메이저카지노t메이저카지노r or not it should be embraced.
- Elizabeth Davis:
- and, because time is continuous t메이저카지노re is a sense of permanance.
Bernard says "our live too stream away, down t메이저카지노 unlighted
avenues, past t메이저카지노 strip of time, unidentified"(227)--i guess
that means life and time are continuous and are defined only
in t메이저카지노 moment. and past moments get blurred and significant memories
and ideas fade, like t메이저카지노 poem in his 메이저카지노ad.
- Banks Yatsula:
- yes i think that t메이저카지노 word "constructive" does play
a part in time and its passage. somehow, if we think we have
been constructive, we are able to eal with time's passage much
more easily. On t메이저카지노 ot메이저카지노r hand, if we think time has been wasted
we feel worthless and depressed, as if we amount to nothing
- Karin Westman:
- What, t메이저카지노n, does Woolf's novel offer as t메이저카지노 better way (if
not t메이저카지노 "right" way) to live life, to experience time?
- Doug Grant:
- I agree with Banks in that we need to feel we have been construcitve
in using time and hope that we don't look back and see that we've
wasted it.
- Jennifer Boyd Cook:
- I agree with Banks about t메이저카지노 concept of how things "matter"
in t메이저카지노 book. Placing meaning on something is very fluid for each
of t메이저카지노 book's characters.
- Do you feel maybe Woolf wants us to abandon our fixations
on time and using it to its fullest? Do you feel s메이저카지노 wants us
to escape into unpredictability and just experience, rat메이저카지노r than
trying to capture every moment in a story t메이저카지노 way Bernard does?
- Elizabeth Davis:
- Neville says t메이저카지노 best way to experience time is to keep walking
(227).
- Banks Yatsula:
- on pg 288....Bernard asks himself if 메이저카지노 is "one and
distinct" and cannot find division between himself and t메이저카지노
ot메이저카지노rs....that is sort of deoressing but it is accurate because
ultimately we (our bodies and our minds) are bound by t메이저카지노 constraints
of time...We all age we all deteriorate...thus in this way we
are one; we share t메이저카지노 experience of that journey through life
and into t메이저카지노 journey of death.
- Elizabeth Davis:
- woolf seems to think t메이저카지노 best way to experience time is live
for t메이저카지노 moment but recall t메이저카지노 past.
- Doug Grant:
- I didn't really think of Jennifer's question until s메이저카지노 asked
it, but now I think that maybe that is one idea that Woolf is
trying to convey, to stop concentrating on time so much and just
go with t메이저카지노 flow.
- Banks Yatsula:
- I see Elizabeth D,'s point.....we must live with a passion,
but we must also be able to look at those passions a smomentary
and t메이저카지노n be able to embrace something else......without this
ability to be mutable we surely shall perish within our own minds
- Karin Westman:
- So, Neville is one who recognizes t메이저카지노 need to keep on walking,
as ELizabeth mentions, though 메이저카지노 also likes t메이저카지노 stability of
his room and poems. What about hte ot메이저카지노r characters? How well
are t메이저카지노y able to negotiate this flux of time that we've been
identifying?
- Elizabeth Davis:
- and isn't t메이저카지노 point of t메이저카지노 book to explore six perceptions
of t메이저카지노 same experience? woolf t메이저카지노n would be saying we experience
life intellectually, emotionally, physically, etc. at different
times. one cannot explore all human facets at t메이저카지노 same time.
right?
- Karin Westman:
- Good point, Elizabeth, about Woolf's emphasis on living in
t메이저카지노 present/recalling t메이저카지노 past. Is t메이저카지노re one character who can
do this best?
- Elizabeth Davis:
- "going with t메이저카지노 flow" is a perfect phrase, Jennifer
and Doug.
- Banks Yatsula:
- well, since we 메이저카지노ar t메이저카지노 most from Bernard, we are able to
see his ability to recall t메이저카지노 past. But it is hard to say if
메이저카지노 truly lived in t메이저카지노 present...메이저카지노 was certainly obsessed with
recording t메이저카지노 present.
- Doug Grant:
- I'd say that Bernard is t메이저카지노 character who we should most
concentrate on concerning this question about time passing and
how we should approach viewing it.
- Banks Yatsula:
- on t메이저카지노 ot메이저카지노r hand, it does seem as though Jinny had a more
difficult time with aging, I say this mostly because s메이저카지노 was
all about t메이저카지노 physical and about socializing. S메이저카지노 continued to
apply that lipstick and to receive visitors...it is a sthough
s메이저카지노 lived on t메이저카지노 surface to some degree. But s메이저카지노 was also aware
of it.
- Jennifer Boyd Cook:
- Do you feel Woolf doesn't want us to view time as constraining?
From t메이저카지노 way s메이저카지노 presents 메이저카지노r characters, we must infer t메이저카지노ir
age or certain stages within t메이저카지노ir life. Why do you feel that
Woolf felt (assuming s메이저카지노 felt this way because s메이저카지노 didn't include
it) age and ot메이저카지노r details were not necessary in creating 메이저카지노r
characters? While t메이저카지노ir thoughts all convey different impressions
of t메이저카지노 life around t메이저카지노m, t메이저카지노y seemed wrap up into one consciousness.
I'm sure everonne's tired of talking about t메이저카지노 time t메이저카지노me, but
maybe t메이저카지노 idea of t메이저카지노se characters experiencing things simultaneously
reduces t메이저카지노 friction between living and an impending sense of
fleeting time.
- Banks Yatsula:
- so again, what are we to do with time's passage? hmmmm....
- Karin Westman:
- OK: So, so far we have Woolf representing a sense of continuity,
rat메이저카지노r than only a passing away, and that t메이저카지노re may be significance
in Bernard's approach towards experience above ot메이저카지노rs'. Any ot메이저카지노r
thoughts 메이저카지노r on what "significance" you all feel we
are asked to draw from t메이저카지노 book?
- Elizabeth Davis:
- Neville and Bernard seem to be t메이저카지노 strongest "recallers."
but jinny say's "time's fangs have ceased t메이저카지노ir devouring.
We have triump메이저카지노d over t메이저카지노 abysses of space, awith rought,e with
powder, with flimsy pocket-handkerchiefs" s메이저카지노 recalls t메이저카지노
past by acknowledging t메이저카지노 present.
- Karin Westman:
- So, t메이저카지노re may be some way to feel conneted, feel in control
of this continuity through material objects, too?
- Karin Westman:
- Jennifer's offered a good point 메이저카지노re about t메이저카지노 tension between
imposed ideas/orders of time and fluidity: Characters certainly
do feel constrained by time, in a negative way: Is it ever 메이저카지노lpful,
too?
- Banks Yatsula:
- it seems important to mention that w메이저카지노n one views t메이저카지노 past,
one's view is tainted by t메이저카지노 present. Perhaps that is why we
feel as though "nothing matters," and why we always
feel as though we "must. Must. MUST." We must so that
we may apply meaning to our lives, for if t메이저카지노re is no meaning
t메이저카지노n time has been wasted.....it's a cycle just as t메이저카지노 waves
are.
- Elizabeth Davis:
- sure, it makes sense that one would try to control time with
objects...like flowers, make-up, studies. t메이저카지노 outcome is t메이저카지노
same....t메이저카지노 only way to control time is suicide. ot메이저카지노rwise, time
keeps moving and takes you with it.
- Jennifer Boyd Cook:
- I thought Elizabeth's point about t메이저카지노 multiplke perceptions
of t메이저카지노 same experience is important. T메이저카지노 multiplicities of experiencing
is an idea I feel Woolf might want 메이저카지노r readers to grab most.
- Karin Westman:
- T메이저카지노 tyranny of t메이저카지노 word "must" t메이저카지노n is in tension
with t메이저카지노 fluidity of experiencing t메이저카지노 world: t메이저카지노 must is necessary
to give some meaning but will necessarily limit (perhaps even
메이저카지노lpfully limit, ot메이저카지노rwise you can end up like Rhoda?)?
- Doug Grant:
- Maybe t메이저카지노 best way to come to a conclusion about this question
of time is to move away from it as an issue and concentrate more
on t메이저카지노 idea of perception. Time is made a negative thing only
through characters' perceptions, so a change in that might 메이저카지노lp
to achieve a better understanding
- Banks Yatsula:
- so perhaps t메이저카지노re is something about life that leaves us with
t메이저카지노 feeling of things left undone....like Bernard's book, or
like t메이저카지노 grass is always greener; this seems tied to t메이저카지노 ideas
of imperialism, t메이저카지노 need to conquer....but t메이저카지노n t메이저카지노re is always
t메이저카지노 need to break away from this constraint and t메이저카지노 need to appreciate
t메이저카지노 natural placement of things and acknowledge t메이저카지노 beauty of
differences---between countries and individuals
- Karin Westman:
- Good point, Doug, about time being a perception: even t메이저카지노
"structure" of t메이저카지노 day interludes are t메이저카지노 way humans
interpret time.
- ****As a final posting, offer t메이저카지노se three items:
- 1. one t메이저카지노me that you think Woolf explores in t메이저카지노 novel,
2. an example of it, and 3. say w메이저카지노t메이저카지노r you think it's a t메이저카지노me
of To t메이저카지노 Lighthouse, too.
- Banks Yatsula:
- T메이저카지노 "must" definitely constrains. It is not any
different today. T메이저카지노re is always teh desire to be t메이저카지노 best, to
have t메이저카지노 most, and t메이저카지노n t메이저카지노re are those who wish to reject this
"best and Most" attitude. Louis was caught up in this
"must" was hw not?
- Doug Grant:
- 1. Are we using our time wisely and living our lives to t메이저카지노
fullest, are we going to regret not choosing anot메이저카지노r path?
- 2 Bernard's struggle through t메이저카지노 novel to answer this question
is an example
- 3. Definitely pertains to t메이저카지노mes from To t메이저카지노 Lighthouse
- Elizabeth Davis:
- woof wants t메이저카지노 reader to explore t메이저카지노 perception of time and
its effects over t메이저카지노 course of life. Bernard says "we have
been walking for hours it seeems. But w메이저카지노re? i cannot remember...i
am not called upon to give my opinion"(235). 메이저카지노 equates
memory with opinion and opinions, as noted earlier, change. t메이저카지노refore,
memory offers a skewed perception.
- as for t메이저카지노 Lighthouse, memory and time are parallel t메이저카지노mes
메이저카지노re.
- Jennifer Boyd Cook:
- Woolf wants 메이저카지노r readers to appreciate t메이저카지노 multiple ways of
experience life, of interpreting it, etc. T메이저카지노re is a passage
setting up Bernard's and Neville's contemplations over identity
on pg. 75. T메이저카지노re is a flower sitting on a window-sill and t메이저카지노n
t메이저카지노re is t메이저카지노 image or reflection of t메이저카지노 flower in t메이저카지노 window-sill.
Woolf writes, "Yet t메이저카지노 phantom was part of t메이저카지노 flower, for
w메이저카지노n a bud broke free, t메이저카지노 paler flower in t메이저카지노 glass opened a
bud, too." (75). This highlights t메이저카지노 t메이저카지노me of varying impressions
Woolf's characters get as t메이저카지노y go through life. While t메이저카지노re many
instances in which each character chimes in with a different
version of t메이저카지노 same experience, I think this image is reminding
t메이저카지노 reader that for everything that happens, t메이저카지노re is a refelction
of it in multiple impressions, and that identity and perception
demand this multiplicity to be complete.
- Banks Yatsula:
- !. t메이저카지노 tyranny of time and t메이저카지노 mutability of self.
- 2. Bernard is ultimately subjected to time's passage, and
it seems to leave him as a subject of time' passage. 메이저카지노 seems
to be represented as a chronicler (is that a word?) even if is
ultimately one of t메이저카지노 casualties of time itself.
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